🏆COVID-19’s impact on sports
The GIST: Thanks to the COVID-19 pandemic, most sports are canceled (or postponed, at least). Here’s #thegist on what’s off, what’s on and what’s a big ol’ question mark in the sports world.
Taking a time out: Last week, the NBA and NHL suspended their almost-finished regular seasons for at least a month, while the MLS put their very new season on hold. The MLB put a pause on spring training and will delay the start of their regular season, (which was due to start on March 26th) by at least two weeks, while the National Women’s Soccer League (NWSL) canceled their preseason games altogether. And, in what arguably hit North America the hardest, the NCAA’s March Madness basketball tournament was straight up canceled. Welp.
- Around the world, soccer matches, auto races, curling championships and marathons have all been canceled or postponed too. Follow along here for the running list.
All systems go: Meanwhile the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) decided to go ahead with all scheduled fights, albeit in empty arenas. WWE Wrestlemania 36 is also still happening (apparently with fans in attendance, SMDH) on April 5th, where former New England Patriot Rob Gronkowski is due to appear. Seems like a pretty irresponsible money grab to us.
- The 2020 NFL Draft is still scheduled for April 23rd to 25th in Las Vegas, though we’ll likely see some major modifications to the event (i.e. we probably won’t see the draft picks travel by boat across the Bellagio fountain).
The land of uncertainty: The Olympic Games are the biggie. Fortunately, the Summer Games in Tokyo don’t start until July 24th, so the IOC doesn’t have to race to make any major decisions...yet. And Japan’s prime minister Shinzo Abe is still confident the Games will go on. Appreciate the optimism, dude.
- The only thing that has changed is the Olympic flame. Generally, this flame is transported all over the world, eventually making its way to the Olympic site. However, the Olympic flame is set to be transported straight to Tokyo this week without fanfare.
We are so excited to have figure-skating superstar Kaetlyn Osmond as a GIST Athlete Ambassador. This kick-ass competitor needs no introduction.
During Kaetlyn’s figure skating career, she won three national titles, won three Olympic medals (team and singles), won Canada’s first ladies’ World Championship in 45 years (!!!), and racked up plenty of other accolades (including her hometown naming their after her).
At the ripe age of 22 Kaetlyn retired from competition after winning the 2018 World Championships. Now, Kaetlyn is a professional skater skating in travelling shows, and is focusing her efforts toward growing the sport in Newfoundland and empowering young female athletes to participate in sport. Can we get a hell yeah?!
We recently sat down with Kaetlyn Osmond to discuss figure skating, retirement, what’s next, and importantly, if she were a Harry Potter character, which one would she be.
Jacie at The GIST (TG): How did you first get into figure skating?
Kaetlyn Osmond (KO): I first started skating when I was two-years-old (Editor’s note: Okay, yes, you read that right, *skating* at two-years-old!). In Marystown, there weren’t a lot of options outside of the traditional sports. My parents were both hockey players so they put us into figure skating to learn to be hockey players (Editor’s note: figure skaters are widely respected across ice sports for their incredible skating abilities, so much so that many NHL players, like star either figure skate first, or receive lessons from figure skaters, like ), but neither of us made the switch. My sister was a figure skater, so of course as the younger sibling I wanted to be exactly like her.
Funny story actually. Nine years ago, my sister stopped skating after I competed against her for the first time and I beat her. She literally quit skating right after. *Kaetlyn chuckles*
TG: Okay that is so funny. We love a good sibling rivalry. What’s your favourite memory competing in figure skating?
KO: There are so many great moments. National competitions are probably my favourite — it’s really cool to compete only against other Canadians in front of a Canadian crowd. It’s such a great feeling and the atmosphere is incredible.
The Olympics will always hold a special place in my heart, too. Not so much my first Olympics because, unlike what seemed like the rest of Canada, I didn’t watch them growing up so I didn’t understand what people were talking about with the hype until the closing ceremonies. But, after that first Olympic experience, I was so excited for the following Olympics which were a huge highlight, and the outcome made it even better!
c/o of Kaetlyn’s Instagram @kaetkiss
TG: Yes your team gold medal and your Olympic bronze medal were amazing! Canada was/is so proud of you winning those medals. Speaking of which, you’ve competed and won both as an individual and in a team. Can you speak to the differences?
KO: Team events are new; they only became an Olympic event in 2014. It’s a different preparation because you’re not practicing together the way a team normally does. We all train individually, and at opposite ends of the country. So, we don’t see each other until the event. You go into it knowing what you can do individually, and try to support the rest of the team the best you can just by doing what you do. In team events, you have to be very strategic in the order of competition, and who’s competing in what. Versus, as an individual competing, you just have your job and know when you’re skating and what you’re doing.
But, I did learn at Pyeongchang 2018 Olympics (Editor’s note: again, Canada won the gold!) that being on the podium with other people is so, so great. You’re holding other people’s hands, vibrating, shaking and sharing this incredible experience with others. On my own, it was kind of boring! I was thinking, “where is everyone?” *Kaetlyn laughs*
TG: What’s your favourite thing about figure skating?
KO: Performing. It’s a big part of skating —along with the athleticism, of course. One of the best things we’re able to do is tell stories and become part of the crowd and make people feel a certain way through our performance. It’s really fun to have that ability and to be able to become a different person through each program.
TG: There is something so captivating about performative sports — other athletes/sports just aren’t exposed to that.
KO: Actually, my favourite skating fans are those that don’t understand the sport that much. They can actually sit back and enjoy the performances and appreciate the athleticism in it, whereas avid skating fans that know all the rules and judging will get caught up in the specifics and can sometimes lose the big picture.
TG: You’ve lived all across Canada — born in Marystown, Newfoundland, moved to Montreal at seven, Edmonton at ten, and now Toronto. What has the experience of moving around been like? Do you return to Newfoundland often?
KO: Yeah, and somehow I ended up living in the middle *Kaetlyn laughs*. Newfoundland is where I started, but I lived in Edmonton for the longest — I was there for 13 years. It was great for training, and all of my friends and family were there, but I always consider myself from both Edmonton and Newfoundland. I still enjoy returning to Newfoundland, but it’s nice being here in Toronto, in the middle. It’s like a fresh start for me. But each place still means something different and is special.
TG: You’ve been retired for about a year now from competitive skating. What was that decision like, and how has the last year been?
KO: When I look back on the decision to retire, a lot of people said I made the decision after I won (2018 World Championship) and that I made a lot of my decisions based on not wanting to compete with some of the younger skaters coming up with their different jumps and quads and craziness.
But really, I made my decision to retire long before that. I didn’t realize until later, but in the back of my mind, I had made the decision to retire two years prior. I had told myself, “the last two years of my skating have been horrible and I want the next two years to make up for it. Then, I’ll be done.”
It really helped. Having that deadline in the back of my mind helped me push really hard for those next two years knowing there was an end goal.
Those were the best two years of my life, and I ended on such a high note. I knew as soon as I hit my ending position at Worlds that it was my final breath of skating and that’s exactly what I felt like, as dramatic as it sounds. I hit my ending position and that was it, that’s all I had.
Just before that (Editor’s note: “that” being winning the World Championships. So casual.) happened, I had almost hit my breaking point. We had about three full weeks of training between Olympics and Worlds in 2018, and they were the longest three weeks of my life. I was injured, crying every five seconds, complaining to my coach that I couldn’t go to Worlds, I felt like I just didn’t have it in me to compete.
Then, the week actually being in Milan at Worlds was so challenging. Looking back on it now, it was a final challenge — to endure the worst week of my life to get the best outcome. That’s what it felt like. And then that was it. I walked up a couple of stairs to get to my coach after I finished, and my coach looked at me, asked how I felt and I said, “that was the longest four minutes of my entire life.” He said, “that’s okay, you’re done.” He didn’t know until later what I meant at the time when I replied, “yes, I’m done.”
TG: Incredible to be able to work through that though and end up with a gold! So, what’s next for you after skating? You’re interested in broadcasting. Can you tell us more about that?
KO: My ultimate dream would be to have my own radio show in the morning. Then I realized radio isn’t really a thing anymore *Kaetlyn chuckles*. I don’t understand, I love the radio! So, I’m trying to dip my toes into podcasting, but haven’t convinced myself to do one yet. I’m playing around with podcasting and working on my own media training to get into that side. Of course I want to stick with sports as much as I can, but I don’t want to just focus on figure skating because that’s the only identity I’ve ever had.
I’m also coaching skating part-time right now and doing shows full-time. And then my camp in Newfoundland has been my big focus lately.
TG: Let’s talk about your camp. You’re promoting the sport of figure skating with young girls in Newfoundland (along with a charity and scholarship component). Can you speak to that?
KO: If everything runs properly there will be a series of camps across different cities in Newfoundland & Labrador starting in December, with a full day seminar in each place. Anyone competitive in the Newfoundland skating community can attend. At these camps, I’ll keep my eye out for skaters with a lot of potential to invite to another camp with more coaches there to really help them excel.
The end goal is not to take skaters out of Newfoundland, but to make skating more popular there and to help the skaters become more confident. When I go back to Newfoundland, people say I got better because I left…but who knows what I could have done there. I want people to know there are resources in Newfoundland, and you don’t have to leave to be successful.
TG: Figure skating is such a beautiful sport and obviously very visual. Can you speak to the pressure to look a specific way? And how that may have changed post-competing?
KO: I’m not the typical shape for a figure skater. I’m “too tall” (Editor’s note: she’s 5’4” inches, and yes, that’s considered tall in skating) and not the stereotypical toothpick skater that can easily jump in the air, but I have a powerful side. That’s what differentiated me. While I was a tiny bit bigger than everyone else, I had more power on the ice.
I was frequently told that I couldn’t skate to a piece of music because I “wasn’t the shape of a ballerina”. You’re always thinking, “this would be a lot easier if I was smaller. Easier on my body to jump if I was smaller.” But when you’re at peak shape, losing even a pound isn’t possible! On top of that, you’re in tiny dresses that show everything about your body and are put in front of judges and audiences and lights. I wouldn’t change the little tiny dresses though; I love them! I think with being a performance skater, the outfits can really add to the story you’re telling.
But the pressure to look a certain way really does add stress. A lot of skaters end up with an eating disorder — even if it’s not a disorder, your weight and the look of your body is in the back of your mind all the time.
Since retiring from skating, the pressure to look a certain way has actually affected me more, and it bothers me how much it does. It’s not something you can control. Words, even though they aren’t intended to be harmful, still make an impact. My coach was never trying to make me feel like I was too big or not in shape enough, but he just wanted what was best for me and to find ways to make my competing easier, which included losing weight. I still have a hard time with people talking about diets. I’ve realized, not even just in the skating world, just how much weight and dietary habits are a huge source of small talk.
I had an amazing dietician that helped me through my hardest years (age 16-18) and she was one of my favourite people I’ve worked with. I was never on a diet. She was like you need to eat, you’re growing, you need to be strong to finish your four minute, incredibly demanding long program. She didn’t want me to suppress my cravings which was a huge help. Because if someone tells me I’m not allowed to have a cookie, I’m going to want it. She says to give into your cravings but keep it in check. Moderation was key.
TG: Thanks so much for being so candid about that. It’s sometimes hard to think about/talk about the pressure that we put on our bodies to look a certain way.
Figure skating is a sport that looks “easy” because it’s so beautiful. But obviously, it’s such hard work to make it look so easy. Can you give us some insight into the type of training you’ve done since you were younger?
KO: When I was younger, I skated for six hours a day. There wasn’t that much wear and tear on my body and I wasn’t doing any big tricks. I was living with my coach in Montreal, and my sister was always at the rink anyway, so I just skated all the time because I was there.
As I grew up, those hours became too much. I started limiting myself to skating three hours per day maximum. I learned that quality over quantity was better and I could maximize focus better in three hours versus six. It made me stronger.
Being on ice is the easy part. Outside of that, there was: strength and conditioning training, ballet, pilates, yoga, physio once a week, massage therapy, sports psychology. An hour warm-up before skating, 30 minute cool down after. Skating really was a full-time job.
After grade 12 training became a lot easier because I could sleep in a bit more and have the full day to focus. But while in school, I was up at 4:30am to go to the gym beforehand. Then, I’d go to school, and then skate after school every day.
TG: That sounds so gruelling, especially as a teenager. Kudos to you.
TG: On another, but important, note...We know that young girls drop out of sport at double the rate of their male counterparts by the age of 14. How do you think we can combat this?
KO: There are a lot of ways!
- Creating a more fun and positive atmosphere in sports to keep girls invested more.
- Being able to see more women in sport. Thankfully, I grew up in a sport that is female-dominant. Also, it’s important to know it’s okay to not succeed right away.
- And more opportunities. Everyone wants to make it to the Olympics, but there are more opportunities outside of the Olympics. Look forward to other aspects of the sport and don’t think so far ahead because, unfortunately, not everyone is going to the Olympics.
Those are great points. Alright, now for some fun. Let’s get into some rapid fire questions:
On the note of off-ice training, what’s your favourite workout?
KO: Core workouts. Pilates and ballet help a lot with that. It made me feel I was centred. If my core was activated, everything else really fell into place… my core was also the first thing to go after retiring! *Kaetlyn laughs*
TG: Figure skaters are sometimes superstitious with certain skaters always having a routine when they get on the ice. Did you have one?
KO: No nit-picky weird things. When I was younger, I thought I had to drink orange juice before I skated. A cup of orange juice or a chocolate bar to get a sugar boost for the program. Then, I realized that having a superstition wasn’t the best idea. Because then if you can’t get your orange juice, you get nervous! So I tried to stay away from having a superstition.
TG: That’s a good call. What’s one healthy habit you have that an everyday non-elite athlete should insert into their life?
KO: Wake up and think of three great things in the morning. And then getting yourself out of bed to do something.
When I was given the opportunity to sleep in more, it was harder to get up. Waking up and knowing that you have something to do when you get up, whether it’s a five minute run or sitting down to write, it makes a difference.
TG: What’s your favourite jump?
TG: What was it like landing your first triple? How old were you?
KO: My first real triple in a competition was the . I fell on my jump beforehand, and told myself I couldn’t fall twice in a row. So then I went and landed it. Oh, and it was when I competed against my sister and she was like, “What?!”
TG: What’s your favourite TV show?
TG: If you could be a character from Harry Potter who would you be?
KO: Hermione. She’s badass.
TG: What are you most excited for in 2019?
KO: To learn about myself. To try new things.
TG: Who’s your role model?
KO: My sister.
TG: What’s your guilty pleasure?
KO: Watching Shameless. I hate myself for watching it, but it’s so addictive. And candy. I can’t resist. Sour patch kids are my favourite. Funnily enough, not chocolate.
TG: Do you have a mantra that you live by?
KO: When growing up it was, “find the joy in what you do and the passion will burn out the pain”. Or something along those lines.
Something I heard a couple of weeks ago at the Lululemon 10km run was, “If you’re brave enough to start, you’re strong enough to finish.” I thought that was one of the best things I’ve heard. Especially because I don’t run, so it was a huge challenge.
Sharon Fichman is the 87th ranked doubles tennis player in the world and a GIST athlete ambassador. After hanging up the racquet for two years from 2016-2018 after suffering some serious injuries, she decided to get back on the court and now has a new perspective and appreciation for the sport.
Prior to going back on tour in 2018, Sharon dedicated the majority of her time to coaching tennis, and feels it’s her responsibility to inspire and share her love for the sport with the next generation of female athletes. Can we get a hell yeah?
Let’s get into our interview with Sharon:
Sharon Fichman (SF): My family is actually a big tennis family. My dad loved the sport and played nationally in Romania where my parents are originally from. My mom was a big fan and would literally watch it at any opportunity she could. So when my parents moved to Canada, the first thing they looked up was the closest tennis court to our house.
When I was about four-years-old I found a racquet and an old tennis ball in my basement and went to play with my mom. After about 30 minutes, I figured out how to have a rally against the wall. She rushed us home after and said to my dad, “you have to see this!” Needless to say, my Dad was so excited at my game at the age of 4, we basically decided then and there that I would be a tennis player.
c/o of Sharon’s Instagram @shazzzzy
TG: Did you grow up in Romania as well?
SF: No, I was actually born in Toronto. My parents escaped the Iron Curtain, fled to Israel, then came to Canada around 1989. Pretty crazy story.
TG: Wow, that sounds wild. We’ll have to save that story for another day. Now, tennis is a very different, independent sport compared to other team sports. Can you speak to that?
SF: It is a different sport, for sure. You’re alone... except for when playing doubles, and unlike other sports where the coaches are on the sidelines, you can’t get any help from coaches. You’re out there alone for a long time and you get so physically and mentally tired. It’s also a sport that can be affected by the weather and the different types of surfaces. In basketball, for example, there’s one type of court, but in tennis there’s grass, clay, hard, indoor, outdoor…
You have to be really good at being comfortable being uncomfortable in tennis.
TG: I’ve only ever played on hardcourts and can’t even imagine how the game must change on surfaces like clay and grass. Speaking of changes...do you like singles or doubles better?
SF: Right now, I like doubles better. It’s more of like a fun, reaction game and it’s a lot easier on my Achilles...I had a 9mm Achilles tear in 2013 that wasn’t fully understood for a while. It was misdiagnosed; I didn’t have surgery, and then eventually it built up scar tissue. I just played through it for a few years but unfortunately it’s become a chronic issue at this point. I love playing singles now, but if I play too long or play too many days in a row, my Achilles really hurts.
TG: Yikes, that sounds horrible. With that injury in mind, was there a time when you didn’t love tennis?
SF: I stopped in 2016 mostly because of my ongoing Achilles injury and recurring injuries which stemmed from a bad ankle sprain. I also had a major knee surgery in summer 2014, shortly after Wimbledon. I was basically falling apart. I thought I would be healthy, would start playing again, and then a month or two later I’d re-injure myself. My rankings continued to drop and I went from main draw of Grand Slams to the qualifying draws of some of the smallest professional tournaments, which was super frustrating.
There was so much pain physically, and it took a toll on me mentally, to the point where I was no longer enjoying my time on the tennis court and the fight to grind through injuries was gone. It’s so hard to build yourself back up and build your ranking, and then see it drop...and then repeat the cycle each time I had another injury. My love for tennis just wasn’t there anymore.
I thought I needed a break and then the break just turned into, “I’m loving life right now without tennis and I’m happy to put the racquet down.” So, to be totally honest, I never really thought I would come back to it.
TG: That must have been super tough for you, but happy to hear that when you stopped playing, there were no regrets. What did you do between 2016-2018 while you weren’t playing tennis?
SF: It’s an interesting story. When I first stopped playing, I was living in Vancouver. That’s where I had been training and I absolutely loved it there. I didn’t do much for five or six months and then I started seeing someone. I’ve always had this passion for food. I’ve seen every episode of Chef’s Table…twice *laughs*. 90% of my Instagram is food or chefs. I have a restaurant bucket list of places I want to go to and eat around the world.
Anyway, I had never had a job outside of tennis, but I thought maybe I’d want to open a restaurant — I actually got the idea from Chef’s Table. I knew nothing, but I wanted to learn as much as I could so naturally, I thought I needed to learn all of this from the best restaurants in Vancouver and see if it was actually something I’d like and something I could do. I started working at a restaurant for a few months and I loved that place. I had such a good experience. It was so fun to do something completely different, in an environment where no one knows you (Editor’s note: since starting The GIST we’ve learned the tennis world in Canada is really small. It seems as though everyone knows everyone!). I really loved it, but I realized that industry wasn’t going to be my schtick. There are such crazy hours and everyone’s sleeping while you’re awake and vice versa. It was cool, glad I did it, but I prefer to see the sun.
TG: The restaurant industry is very gruelling!
SF: It is so demanding! Both physically and socially. I actually learned a lot, in social aspects, and it helped me learn how to lead, and to be cool and calm.
TG: So, how did you end up playing tennis again?
Unfortunately, back in December 2017 Dylan had a serious but fluke accident. While he was taking a break between workouts, he gave me a call while he was relaxing on a stretching mat. While we were on the phone together, a 200 pound mirrored door next time him unhinged and fell on him.
He was knocked unconscious and suffered multiple facial lacerations, a cracked bone in his hand, multiple stitches in his right hand and was concussed for two months. What was horrible, is that I heard everything on the other end of the phone, not knowing whether or not he was dead or alive, and this was as I was about to board a three hour flight back to Toronto.
So, on the plane ride home, I literally sat there in radio silence, not knowing what news I would receive when I got off the plane. It was honestly the scariest three hours of my life. Fortunately, he obviously came out the other side, and was seriously injured. Him talking on the phone with me saved him some serious head damage as otherwise, he would have likely been meditating with his eyes closed, and wouldn’t have been able to react with his hand to help stop the majority of the impact.
Because of this, Dylan couldn’t go to the PyeongChang 2018 Winter Olympics, which was just so sad. The Olympics were always Dylan’s goal. This injury was also how he ultimately ended his career...it was a devastating time. His dream and goal was to go to two Olympic Games and he was unable to fulfill that.
So, long story short, this was the “spark” for me to make it to Tokyo...I wanted to return to tennis and build my ranking high enough to go to the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games and have Dylan come with me so that his goal of going to two Olympic Games would somewhat come true. I know it’s not the same as competing but at least it’s something. This is why I returned to professional tennis and work as hard as I do.
TG: Wow. We had no idea that happened to Dylan that is so horrible. He must have been so devastated. It’s amazing to see how you both have found a silver lining from that injury and we think it’s so awesome seeing you back out there.
We know you’ve had a bit of a roller coaster with tennis, but what’s your favourite memory playing the sport?
SF: That’s really hard. The biggest tournament I won in singles was in Cannes, France, and that was one of my best memories. Also, my most recent time playing in Fed Cup. I actually cried at the end of the match. It was so overwhelming and incredible. I don’t know if I’m ever going to play Fed Cup again. I hope I will, but there’s a lot of depth in Canada right now. I appreciate every moment so much more at this point in my career. In the past, I took it for granted. I didn’t understand the honour as much because it was just ‘what I did’.
Now, I’m back with a different perspective. Everything is a celebration for me, because I might never have the chance to play on whatever court I’m playing on again.
I’m shooting for Tokyo 2020 Olympics and after that I don’t know what will happen, how my body is going to be. Until then, I’ll just love every second. Every moment will be the best moment.
TG: Amazing, we’ll be rooting for you! We know that young girls drop out of sport at double the rate of their male counterparts by the age of 14. How do you think we can combat this?
SF: Really, really good question.
- Having more role models and more women in sport that the younger generation can look up to is important. And also, coaches. I’m a big believer that when you’re finished as an elite athlete, it’s your responsibility to give back to the sport in some way. Somebody, or numerous people, helped you achieve what you did, and it’s your turn to do that for someone else. So I feel that it’s important to have athletes, especially female athletes, be involved and inspire the younger generation.
- Investing in coach education is super important. It’s really important for coaches to be more sensitive to different players’ needs and not be in a rigid, cookie-cutter box. The best coaches in the world are able to adapt to different types of athletes including different genders. You’ll hear that kids will stop because of a poor coaching experience or training environment, or that a person who should have been in a role model position turned them off the sport. As a coach, you are in such an influential position, and having more women and people who have the skills to grow that passion in kids is so important.
TG: Absolutely! And that’s actually a really interesting point as there’s been a lot of research about the differences in coaching styles.
Totally. It’s really sad to see the amount of athletes who leave the sport with a lot of potential.
Tennis and sport made me who I am and has had such a positive impact in my life, and that’s what I want for other people.
TG: Now to end our time together, I want to ask you some really fun, rapid fire questions. Let’s do it:
TG: What is your mantra?
SF: The biggest thing that I say before a match is, “If you want it you have to go get it”. No one is ever going to give you anything. You have to earn it and go get it yourself. If I ever have the mindset where I just hope my opponent is going to screw up then I’ve already lost. The best chance you have of being successful is to be brave.
TG: What did you want to be when you were growing up?
SF: In kindergarten, I wanted to be a fire truck haha. Then, I wanted to be a veterinarian. Then, that quickly changed to being a professional tennis player. I still love animals though!
TG: What’s your favourite TV show?
SF: Right now, I’m very sucked into this show on Netflix called Fauda. I’ve also been on a Blacklist binge. Dexter is one of my favourite shows of all time. Oh, and I really like New Girl. There were points when I had to pause episodes because I was laughing too loudly.
TG: If you could be a character from Harry Potter who would you be?
SF: Hermione, for sure. Not even a question.
TG: Who’s your role model?
TG: What’s your guilty pleasure?
SF: Playing video games. Pokemon video games.
We’re incredibly excited to have Rosie MacLennan on board as a GIST Athlete Ambassador.
Rosie is a two-time Olympic Gold Medalist, two-time World + Pan-Am Games Trampoline champion, and two-times the awesome of the rest of us. But, her advocacy for women in sport and her work with Right To Play really make her the perfect partner to level the playing field with us.
After suffering a broken ankle injury in April, we’re happy to report that Rosie is on track to participate in next summer’s Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games.
After graciously joining us at “Women in Sports who are Leveling the Playing Field” event (co-hosted with Right To Play), she gave us even more of her time to sit down for an interview.
Jacie at The GIST (TG): To kick off this interview, how did you become a trampolinist?
Rosie MacLennan (RM): I grew up the youngest of four kids, and sports were a way that my family interacted and spent our time. My parents introduced us to a ton of different activities and unconventional sports as kids. My older siblings were in gymnastics and they really loved the trampoline portion so they found a trampoline gym. My sister and I tagged along with my older brothers and went to the family class. I’ve been jumping ever since
TG: What is your favourite memory of your career?
RM: That’s a really hard question to just narrow down to one! I have a lot of awesome memories of training with my teammates... pushing each other, trying new skills and overcoming that fear of accomplishing something for the first time.
But one moment that really stands out is Rio 2016 (Editor’s note: this is where she won her second Olympic gold medal in individual trampoline. NBD). Leading up to Rio, I was coming back from a concussion and facing different obstacles with symptoms, so I wasn’t really sure if I would be back to compete or even qualify.
But the day before the competition, which is the only day we (the gymnasts) get to go in the venue and jump before the competition, all 16 competitors were there, and it worked out that I ended up on a trampoline with only Li Dan from China and we were chatting, smiling, laughing. It really is a tight community and I remember just looking around at these girls I’ve competed against, been inspired by, and worked with through all of these different experiences… and I was just so aware that we were there training under the Olympic rings together. I thought about the last year and all of the things I went through.
It was just a pure moment of gratitude and joy, and it was an incredible feeling that I was able to take that with me into the next day. It was almost like it gave me this armour.
TG: Wow, I love that! I was expecting you to say ‘When I won Gold… or when I won Gold a second time’. That speaks volumes to the community. As fans, we don’t really have that glimpse into the camaraderie and respect amongst rivals.
RM: It’s an interesting dynamic to navigate, but it stems from my coach who is able to put the sport first and coach everyone, and it pushes us all to work and train harder. We (As in Rosie’s coach, training team and her) have athletes come train with us from other places like Japan, Mexico, and the U.S.… and we build these relationships and connections. Like Karen (three-time Olympic medalist Karen Cockburn) is my role model, my teammate, my friend, and my biggest competitor.
Another memory that stands out is with Karen, and how we had always dreamt of standing on the podium together. We didn’t get that opportunity in London. But we did get to share the podium in front of our family and friends and her in front of her daughter at the 2015 Pan Am Games in Toronto. It was an incredible experience… That’s the long answer of my favourite moment of the last 23 years of my life. *Rosie chuckles*
TG: I can only imagine the feeling when you often compete on the road and then finally having a chance to be at home… Anyway, when did you know that being a trampolinist would become your full-time career?
RM: It wasn’t until after high school when I was 18 that I specialized in trampoline. Still, ever since I was a kid I wanted to go to the Olympics before I even really knew what that meant.
Sport was such a big part of my life growing up, but it was always positioned as a hobby. Education was priority #1 and I could only play sports if I got a certain grade. I never saw it as a viable career option until much later and only after watching and interacting with other athletes. That’s one of my biggest goals is to show younger athletes, and especially young girls, that being a professional athlete is a career option.
For Olympic athletes, it is a career and it should be valued the same way you would with another career path. The lessons you learn through sport translate into other careers too, and in so many other aspects of your life.
TG: Now, can you talk about the immense pressure of back-to-back Olympic gold medals and how you--
RM: --Managed that? Haha. Yes. If there was any silver lining to the concussion, that’s where it comes in. There was, or at least from my perspective, a lot of pressure and attention that I probably would have focused on, but because I was in such a challenging situation, it pushed all that stress away. It got to the point where I was thinking, “I don’t give a sh!t, I just want to jump on a trampoline.” I did a lot of work with my sports psychologist and I focused on my progress and acceptance of uncertainty if I didn’t get to where I needed to be. I worked to manage anxiety, stress, and pressure. So when it came time to perform, I felt more prepared for it. I had already processed a lot of the feelings and emotions of uncertainty that comes from qualifying and the Games. It was still going to be emotional, but I had the tools to ground, centre and focus myself.
TG: Had you always worked with a sports psychologist in your career?
RM: It started just after the London 2012 Olympics. I had been having issues with spatial awareness. Retrospectively, that stemmed from a snowboarding fall but nobody knew the connection at the time. I started getting lost in the air which I never had before… it was terrifying. It shattered my confidence and a lot of my strength in psyche, so I started working to manage the fear and anxiety I was facing. I work with him to this day, he’s awesome.
TG: The mental aspect, in individual sports, especially, must be difficult. Is it easy to get in your own head?
RM: It can be. It happened to me last year for a little bit. I was putting so much pressure on myself after taking some time off and then building back. I had no confidence in my program and I wasn’t training my mental piece as much. I was getting so side-tracked by other things and was competing badly, falling, and a lot of it just spiraled. I had to bring it back to “why do I do this sport?” If you can go into a competition knowing you’ve done everything you can to put yourself in the best position to perform and honestly tell yourself that...then no matter what happens on that day, you can go back to training the next because you love it.
TG: I’m so impressed by your positive attitude. I can only imagine what that process and adjustment is like after an injury in the days and weeks after.
RM: It’s definitely a process. My injury (a broken ankle in April) happened in competition. I hit the frame of the trampoline and fell to the ground. Right away I knew it wasn’t good. For some reason I was adamant I had to stand up and present myself to the judges and walk off on my own. I took some time, and eventually I couldn’t walk and had to be carried off. The initial days were just gathering information about the injury and trying not to get ahead of myself. I was trying to be patient which I’m not *lols all around*.
I spent my flight home grieving, losing out on a solid chunk of training after feeling like I was healthier and stronger than I had been in years. When I get back on the trampoline, I’ll have a hill to climb but maybe in some ways I’ll be better because I’ve been able to focus on stability, strength, shoulders or other imbalances I otherwise wouldn’t have worked on. During this injury I’m trying to focus on the technical things I can fix to make me a better trampolinist in the long run. There are still moments of frustration, but I just try to re-frame.
TG: Having a plan in place, and support must help a lot too.
RM: Having the team therapist there right away, and having Karen there as the team director, helped. Karen had fallen in the same manner and hurt her ankle in 2014. She had to get surgery and was still back in four months, so that helped to give me some perspective. And I’m thankful it’s my ankle and not my head.
TG: Very true. Recovery from this ankle injury must be mentally and physically so different from the concussion.
RM: Absolutely. Concussions are still a big mystery, and a huge, intricate puzzle to solve. There’s nothing in medicine that says “okay, do this and you’ll be better”. There’s uncertainty which in itself creates so much anxiety and frustration. It almost felt like there was a blanket over my brain. I knew I was in there, but I wasn’t myself. You experience a lot of physical aspects like headaches, dizziness, insomnia… but there are emotional and psychological aspects that are more complicated to manage. With an ankle, there are challenges, but it’s more concrete. There’s a plan: cast it, crutches, then out of the boot. It’s inevitable that when I get back on the trampoline I won’t have the same range of motion.
TG: With everything that happened in the Larry Nassar scandal, has that translated to your world, and have you seen changes?
RM: Definitely gymnastics in Canada has been affected. There’s more awareness about the issues of power dynamics between athletes and those in more authoritative positions. It’s hard knowing other athletes haven’t had a positive experience when sport can have such a positive influence and impact on our lives. Sport is now swinging in a direction to protect athletes which is critical. Now it’s just figuring out what those policies and structures are, the realities, and where the resources come from. There hasn’t been an increase in resources and funding in years, so it’s a huge complex issue without an easy solution, but it’s about time people are addressing it to protect everyone. Having conversation and hearing the stories and addressing those issues creates an overall environment that’s more open and communicative.
TG: Can you talk about your involvement with Right To Play and why you feel so passionately about it?
RM: is an international organization that uses play and sport as a form of education and a way to teach kids different tools and skills to overcome challenges and obstacles they face in day-to-day lives. Right To Play exists in 19 different countries, and Canada actually has some of the biggest programming. It’s easy to buy-in to the organization after reading about what they do and how effective and impactful it is.
When I was in Western Africa for a trip with Right To Play and we shadowed a young girl for a day…and saw her, in part to the Right To Play programming she received, advocating for her right to an education in a community that was only valuing boys’ education. She then created a club within her school advocating for girls’ rights in the school and is now a leader in the community beyond. And that’s just the impact of 1 of 2,000,000 kids.
I learned about Right To Play in high school as an organization that combined things I was very passionate about. At my first international competition in South Africa I was 11 and staying at this beautiful, luxurious resort, but just outside the gates was a slum. At that age I didn’t know how to reconcile that, but it stuck with me and triggered an interest in international development. Then, at Beijing in my first Olympics there was a Right To Play tent in the village and I went there right away to learn about it and get involved. There are so many stories I could share.
Editor’s Note: If you’re interested in learning more about Right to Play or are interested in making a donation, check out RightToPlay.ca.
TG: On another, but somewhat similar note, young girls drop out of sport at double the rate of their male counterparts by the age of 14. How do you think we help combat this?
RM: There’s a lot.
- The education system needs to focus more on physical literacy at a young age so that kids can get comfortable in their body, what it can do, how it can move and how it functions. The more awareness you have on the ability your body has, the more confidence you’ll have in trying new things.
- Kids need to get introduced to broader range of sports. Only so many people can be good at soccer, basketball, volleyball… the conventional sports we typically learn. I was never good at any of those, but trying a bunch of different sports allowed me to find something I connected with. The more you try new things, the better opportunity you’ll have to find something you love.
- Having more role models, including female role models, in various aspects of sport so more girls see it as a viable option. There are a lot of initiatives focusing on this now, but celebrating different bodies and what they can do is important. Focus on what your body can do for you vs. the differences you have from other girls.
TG: What’s one healthy habit you have that an everyday non-elite athlete can insert into their life?
RM: Give yourself at least five minutes every day of quiet and no distractions—no phone, no nothing… just deep breathing. Funny things can happen. You can gain perspective and reconnect with how you’re feeling physically, emotionally and psychologically. Sometimes you have this issue you’ve been thinking about for days and the solution becomes clear when you give yourself some space. I call it “unofficial meditation.”
TG: Unofficial meditation. I like that.
RM: The word “meditation” can be intimidating. I’ve tried meditating, but you get mad at yourself when you start thinking. This gives you space with your thoughts and to accept them. I just try to take time every day to breathe and take space.
TG: Ok, let’s do some rapid-fire questions. Favourite TV show?
RM: Billions right now…of all-time, Friends.
TG: What is your guilty pleasure?
RM: I love chocolate. And coffee...and pizza.
TG: Are you a Harry Potter fan?
RM: I love Harry Potter.
TG: Okay great, us too. Which Harry Potter character would you be?
RM: Hermione is really smart...I also really like Tonks. But anyone who doesn’t know Harry Potter will say who the heck is Tonks.
TG: Oh, no. We love Harry Potter, always litter our content with it. Sometimes we think it’s probably too much...
RM: It’s probably not enough.
International Women’s Day is Friday March 8th. To celebrate, we’re featuring one bad @$$ female athlete for each of the four newsletters leading up to the special day. Why? Because female athletes only receive 4% of sports media coverage which we think (and we’re sure you do too) is absolutely ridiculous. So, as a women-led sports company, we want to help change that stat.
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On Monday we kicked things off with . You can read her interview . Next up? . In 2017, at the age of 26, Liz became the youngest Canadian to ever climb the infamous seven summits. Liz has summited Everest, Aconcagua, Denali, Kilimanjaro, Vinson, Elbrus and Kosciuszko. Alright, let’s get into it with Liz.
Photo courtesy of Liz Rose’s Instagram @lizrose5
Ellen at The GIST (TG): What inspired you to get into mountaineering & climbing the seven summits?
Liz Rose (LR): At about 23 years old, I was at a crossroads in my life. I was looking for a job, finding the job hunt incredibly draining, and I didn’t get my dream job right away. So, instead of googling job opportunities, I started googling adventures. I felt the need to accomplish something. With that search, I came across Killamanjaro. I saw that Killamanjaro only takes a week to climb and then I would be able to get back to the job hunt with new motivation.
So I talked to my Dad, and got him excited for a fun father-daughter trip. We prepared for about three weeks (Editor’s Note: Kilimanjaro is 5,900 m in elevation so this is no easy feat) and went. It was a great new experience and I absolutely LOVED it. After that I was hooked.
TG: Climbing for days and facing the elements is obviously a very grueling physical task, but we also imagine it could be fairly mentally grueling as well. How do you keep your mental game strong throughout the hikes?
LR: The mental factor is a huge part of climbing. Some of the expeditions are really long - for example Everest takes two months so remaining mentally tough for two months is incredibly hard. To continue to stay motivated, my family and friends wrote me letters and I brought the bag of letters with me. The letters would say things like “open when you’re crying” or “open when you need a pick me up”, things like that (Editor’s Note: we’re not crying you’re crying). When I was feeling defeated I would open a letter. I’m lucky to have a really strong support system.
Before some trips, I would go to a sports psychologist to get some strategies on how to stay mentally tough. Really it all comes down to believing in yourself and staying as positive as possible. You really have to focus on staying present, staying in the moment and not getting frustrated by the weather.
Photo courtesy of Liz Rose’s Instagram @lizrose5
TG: Mountaineering/climbing is a non-traditional sport. What do you say to naysayers that don’t classify it as as a “sport”? And, how would you suggest people that aren’t lucky enough to live close to mountains train or get into the sport.
LR: To start, to those naysayers, climbing is DEFINITELY sport. Sport is such a broad thing these days. It might not be a “traditional sport” but it’s still super demanding both physically and mentally.
Next, if you don’t live in an area that is as accessible to get into a sport like this, but you’re interested, most places you can find somewhere to at least be in nature. Just get outside and get a taste of what it would be like to be in the climbing world. It’s worth starting with a local hill just to try it out. Everyone has to start somewhere.
TG: What’s next now that you’ve conquered the seven summits?
LR: Well I’m actually currently training for a climb I’m going to be doing this summer. I can’t say what mountain I’ll be climbing yet, but definitely stay tuned. I’m really looking forward to gearing up for this big adventure.
I also recently finished writing a book and am currently promoting it. It’s called and is all about my journey climbing the Seven Summits. Writing a book has been a summit in itself but I am so excited to finally share my story!
TG: Mountaineering is an incredibly expensive sport with equipment, travel, food, etc. How did you manage when you first got started?
LR: Well, the thing about mountaineering is that it’s expensive in terms of both money and time. What I’m really lucky for is a great support system. I worked hard in between the climbs. For example, when I first got started, I worked on a cruise ship for six months and then took two months off. Later, I started working with Arc’teryx which was great as they understand my lifestyle with climbing. And most recently I’ve been working on my book.
TG: Alright Liz. Now it’s time for some fun rapid-fire questions.
What’s something that you can’t live without? Family
What’s your go-to work out? Spin class
Oprah or Ellen?: Oprah
Peanut Butter or Jam? Jam
What was favourite climb?: Everest
Words/mantra you live by: Dream Big!
Photo courtesy of Liz Rose’s Instagram @lizrose5